Zach here - and this is a rare new release shelf discussion this episode on Danny Boyle’s latest entry into the 28 [INSERT DATE HERE] LATER franchise. Russ liked this film a lot more than I did, but we both thought it was kind of all over the place. That said, thanks to its controversial ending both of us have committed to seeing the next entry in theaters.
This was a car trip episode so we don’t have video as usual, so if you’re a Youtube-watcher, we’re sorry. We’ll be back on camera in a couple days, unless you subscribe to our onlyfans then we’re on there every night. Kidding… for now.
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Speaker 1
But this is.
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Speaker 2
Hello and welcome to the Emerald City Video podcast. I'm Russ and this is Zach.
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Speaker 1
Hello.
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Speaker 2
And, we're going old school. There's no video this time. We are doing a quick new release wall in the car as we drive back from a movie theater. Yeah. Tonight we saw, 28 years later, the, long gestating sequel to 28 days. And then 28 weeks later.
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Speaker 1
Yes,
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Speaker 2
For which you needed to see absolutely nothing. Yeah, I don't really. I mean, I guess if you saw 28 Days Later it would explain the rage virus, but honestly, other than the zombies being kind of fast for the most part. Yeah. So what's your what's your first thoughts?
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Speaker 1
I figure what we'll do is we'll do, like, a little bit, and then go into spoiler territory because there's some weird, weird stuff.
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Speaker 2
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Which not surprising, like it's a zombie film.
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Speaker 2
And it's Danny Boyle. I do feel like part of me is like, you know, everything he's done has been increasingly weirder and more experimental since 28 days later. So there's bits in here that I wasn't in love with, but I'm like, I guess it makes sense because, like, he's going to be more interested in that than doing what he.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, that's my kind of thing. I mean, like, obviously the premise, not the premise of the film itself, but the premise of like him doing this trilogy, it's a little like, you know, there's a handful of auteur directors, you know, like boyhood, like there's like that have like odd that have, you know, I don't know about an asterisk or like a concept in there, like we're going to go through with it.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Obviously this was shot, on, the, the iPhone, like the previous one, was kind of always shot on the, like whatever. There was the most consumer.
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Speaker 2
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Kind of thing. It was shot on like what was it. It wasn't high. It was.
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Speaker 2
No. The first, the first one was shot on like a mini DV. Yeah. Or a DV tape. It was, it was shot in like four ADP. Yeah. And shot digitally, which at the time was still not the norm. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Especially, like.
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Speaker 2
Much.
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Speaker 1
Cheaper. Yeah. Yeah. Especially shot with like, more at least on the, the end of consumer cameras. Obviously this was shot on I forget which iPhone but like like it.
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Speaker 2
Was a 15 Pro max. But also if you saw the insane this is where they have this.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Ridiculous rig on it. So I yeah I was going to add like it's shot an iPhone with an asterisk. It's an and I know it's like kind of like all those iPhone ads would be like shot on an iPhone. Yeah. Shot an iPhone with special specialty lenses that are probably worth more than most people's cars. And also shot by a professional cinematographer who knows very specifically what they're doing.
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Speaker 1
Except. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, obviously, you know, I would hope people always understand that those caveats when they see ads for cell phones and shit like that. Yeah. But, but yeah. No, I mean, so I dug the premise of, of the film, you know, there I think no spoilers here. Like they're caught on it. They're, they're basically kind of sequestered on an island, safe from, the, the zombie hordes, which are still around.
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Speaker 1
There's the different kind of levels of zombies. And now there's kind of a, there's an alpha zombie, as they call it. I had yeah.
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Speaker 2
I'm so I'm put off by the, like, various zombie subspecies and stuff. It just it felt like it took, George George Romero, like, 25 years to get to that point. Yeah. And then once he did, it was all downhill from there. I.
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Speaker 1
I'm a little bit more okay with it. Maybe not the alpha thing. And we can get into it probably. I don't know about the spoilers. I don't know if that's Euler's or not. We've already talked about a little bit, but I think it's. I think it's implied a little bit in the trailers. Yeah. But like since this is a virus, like very specifically a virus and a virus is going to have an effect, you know, we're going concepts here, guys.
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Speaker 1
You know, like let's follow through on the zombie.
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Speaker 2
Well, I will say, I was watching an interview. Brandon Davis talked to Danny Boyle, the other day. And so at the end of the first movie you saw, all of the runners were, like, emaciated and dying off in the winter and stuff like that. And so Boyle from, like First Principles wanted to introduce the slug zombies like those.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, there's these big fat zombies crawl along the ground, and the premise is that they've evolved in such a way that they don't burn all those calories. Yeah, and they like, they eat, you know, worms and whatever animals they can get their hands on and like, they're they're still a threat to humans, especially because they're like 400 pounds.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
But like.
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Speaker 1
They are they're quiet to their.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, they're kind of the opposite of what you think of as the 20 at 28 Days Later. Zombies. Yeah. And like I like that premise. I guess I just felt like the like the, the alpha zombies are a little bit too close to like what Romero did in land of the dead. Yeah. Where the zombies had their own, like, mini society.
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Speaker 2
And it's like we're they're not zombies anymore. They're more like cavemen.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. I mean, the, like, the level, I tried about which zombie it wasn't let it out that I'm thinking of, but there's another zombie kind of thing that like, there are certain zombies that have, like a little bit more intelligence, right? More kind of thing going on. And like, that is okay, these guys are fucking I mean, let's just go spy a little bit.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. I'm going to say it's like spoilers all the way through. Nothing super plot sensitive, but that we will like before we spoil anything that's going to ruin the ending for you. I will say something.
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Speaker 1
Like the the fact that these alpha that, basically are, I suppose, you know, basically can kill one, kill a zombie with like one arrow shot in this kind of world. And that's a little flexible, as long as it's kind of near, vaguely near the heart or the throat or the head. Yeah. It's not like the separate that, you know, the standard kind of zombie thing.
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Speaker 1
Which is, I mean, it's, it's like, if it would kill you, then it kind of kills, you know, and, the fact that these guys are like, they're like, oh, it takes like six shots to take them out. They're enormous, including their genitals, which that the swinging, the big swinging dick. Yeah. That's right. Holy shit. So a little distracting.
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Speaker 1
Jesus.
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Speaker 2
Way more, way more penis in this movie than any of the other zombie movies I've ever seen.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little a little too, too much sound mean. But it's I've coined the term but, but anyway. But it is and it's, they're not necessarily, you know, like an alpha in the way that we think of alpha is that, you know, they're oh, they're controlling of like women or the controlling of things.
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Speaker 1
I thought that there was going to be some sort of play with, like very serious spoilers here, with the baby that like, oh, this was his baby.
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Speaker 2
And I still think that's on the table the way that he pursued it.
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Speaker 1
And but, I also like that's what am I thinking of that that's a, that's a fucking plot in the film and what it is, I mean, film or like a zombie as, like I.
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Speaker 2
I, I assume that it's got to have been touched on before. All right. So we're just going to drop the veneer of not doing spoilers because snow at one point in the film, there's a zombie who has a baby like we'd seen like a nine months pregnant zombie. Yeah. And it's unclear whether this is a person who got infected post-pregnancy or whether this is maybe, an infected who got, knocked up by another infected.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. And so we.
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Speaker 1
Have I mean, this asks the question to have, like, nonconsensual can can I can a zombie can get away or whether it was maybe a human and whatever, I don't know.
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Speaker 2
That's the big reason that I feel like it's probably not Samson's baby, Samson being the alpha zombie. That's what one of the characters named him. Because he has long hair. Yeah. Like I assume it's fucking guy. Yeah, but I assume he's not Samson's baby simply because I don't know that the movies would want to try to tackle whether or not.
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Speaker 2
Because, like, yeah, they are just dumb animals. Yeah. And dumb animals, right? When they're bored, but also, like, they look like people and they used to be people. Yeah. You know, and.
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Speaker 1
It's it's interesting to me because they did like a follow through on this, which they, they first showed the pregnant woman in the water. Yeah. Like twitching around like throughout. And it's like, oh, we've seen zombie pregnant zombie women before, but they haven't. Oh like, yeah. I mean.
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Speaker 2
I mean, Zack Snyder's done it. They had the baby and there's been some others, like.
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Speaker 1
But, I did not think that they were going to follow through with, her actually having the baby and also having some level of intelligence enough to know that she needed to have help having the baby. Not that much out, but, like, still, like there was that moment where there was like, oh, connection. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
During labor, the the the zombie like, accepted help from a living person rather than trying to attack them. Yeah. And.
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Speaker 2
So yeah, I mean, here's my thing. Like, I, the alpha zombie thing puts me off a little bit. Not a ton, but a but a bit. I don't like the concept. If the follow through is okay, then I can live with it. And I think unfortunately, over the course of the next two movies they're making, we're probably going to continue to see Samson because they went out of their way.
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Speaker 2
Not not to kill him. Yeah. Every chance they had.
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Speaker 1
To do it, it's. Yeah I I'm not I, I more okay with the idea the concept of that having that if you're like if you are actually following through on the idea that he leads a pack, I mean, like there's some implication that he leads the pack.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Doubts ahead. And then when he screams others come. Yeah. And you can't quite tell if others are coming just because it was a scream. Yeah. Because obviously that is well-established canon in the 28 Days Later universe. Yeah. Or if it's bit that he's actually calling them, but I assume that he's calling.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, it's, it's not to jump back, but before we get into like, the full before full. Yeah, that was always kind of wrapped around, but like, it's it is interesting that, like, I do wish and maybe they'll do this in the future of things is that future films is that they didn't really start like they kind of established like you see through like wide shots and and walking through the town, like the town.
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Speaker 1
I actually do wish that they had kind of spent a little bit more time in the town. Yeah. The main characters are you have, a father. You have a son who's about 12 years old, going on his first venture out into.
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Speaker 2
It's very much coded as his, what's the, his bar mitzvah? Yeah, yeah, because he's he's 12. And after he comes back successfully and hasn't been murdered by zombies, they carry him around the room on a on a chair. Yeah. Like it's very much coded as his bar mitzvah. And it's treated so societally like that.
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Speaker 2
It's his ascent into manhood.
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Speaker 1
And then you have. And then the third kind of main character for at least the first half of the film is, the mother who is sick of some kind. I it's very it's very much like a mental. Yeah. Like played off as a mental illness. We come to find it's something, it's something else.
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Speaker 2
But yeah, it's the first half of the movie she's having. Like what appears to be serious symptoms of like bipolar or something like that, having memory problems, but also like violent spells and stuff and only.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, eventually find out. I mean, eventually find out she's starting to have, like, nosebleeds, that sort of thing.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. And then it's.
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Speaker 1
Just like the at.
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Speaker 2
That point it kind of becomes clear, like it's a, it's a.
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Speaker 1
Product. Yeah. It's it's and so I so eventually, the, the, the mother is basically not, a wife for the, for the, for the boy's father. And so the boy sees the father cheating with one of the other women on, on the island and, and then he gets very angry and basically runs off with his mother, onto the mainland and,
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Speaker 2
In search of a doctor.
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Speaker 1
He's burning. Burn burns down. What is implied is like the store of, like, all of the island's goods. To be able to get off the island without anyone noticing and get away. Yeah. Which is like, I just it's it's a thing that I hate. It's like the young kid doing the stupid thing. Like half of the new Marvel films, I feel like, are that thing where just, like the young kid was doing the stupid thing, like the young Marvel.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. And it's just, I know because a that usually I mean this I will at least give the, the, the, the kid is well-written. He's not a complete stupid person. No. Like, they act like, oh, this kid is going to run against you know what? Yeah, he knows what he can do. He knows what he can go up to.
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Speaker 1
And he does. Yeah. Usually rise to the occasion to whatever. Yeah. So like, where are the basically you get halfway through the film, he's there on the island.
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Speaker 2
Let, let me also interject that, like, the pacing in this movie is really weird. Yeah. Because the first he's like, bar mitzvah adventure is like its own little movie. Yeah. It's like the first 40 to 50 minutes of the movie is just that. He goes, he, they it starts to do a little bit of worldbuilding in terms of, you see this one zombie that's been like, like strung up upside down, which pays off later.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. You see this one? Like, he sees a fire in the distance, which ultimately pays off because that's the doctor that he ends up looking for. Yeah, but, like, it's really self-contained. It's its own little thing. And then when he comes back and it feels like this almost feels like the movie's over. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
It also the film, like the film is leading you into, okay, we're going to have kind of the standard, okay. Because there's so there's the island and there's this causeway that fills up. Basically, it's only passable, not that low to high tide, which protects the island. And so it's it's like, well, of course they're going to draw the zombies onto the, you know, there's going to be a thing.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. At least in this film.
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Speaker 2
Doesn't happen, you.
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Speaker 1
Know. Does not happen.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Similarly, halfway halfway across the causeway, there's this like, arch thing. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, in my brain, I was thinking like, there's zero way that somebody doesn't end up on top of that in order to survive high tide. And that didn't happen. Know. But again, it's nice to be surprised by these things. And it's nice to like, see it coming and not necessarily haven't happened.
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Speaker 2
But it also feels like a Chekhov's gun thing where it's like when these really when these things are right, they're really obvious. Why didn't you do them?
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Speaker 1
I mean, it does work because there is a chase scene across the causeway. It doesn't work quite well as the this is the halfway point. Yes.
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Speaker 2
It was a great landmark where.
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Speaker 1
How far they are behind this, you know, and, behind the zombie is behind them, that sort of thing. So, but, so we should we talk about refines.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. I mean Ray finds terrific performance.
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Speaker 1
Oh, wait I mean always but he plays a great like. Is he crazy. Is he a crazy motherfucker like. Or is it's just like, yeah. Or is he just the person who exists in this world?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I know that.
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Speaker 1
That's kind of like what he's fantastic at.
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Speaker 2
I feel like he he feels like, like Morgan from The Walking Dead. Like he's one of these guys. Like, objectively to us. Yes. He's insane. Yeah, but the reason that he's insane is because he is acclimated so successfully to an insane world. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
So he was, he was a doctor, in, in the before times, before zombie, zombie times and basically started like, there's a scene, like they're basically started, I guess, obviously going crazy, like how on how he was dealing with, like, the dead. And so he was burning the dead and, like, making skull. It's all those scenes that you see on the on the, in the.
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Speaker 2
Poster, whatever. The giant skull Mountains and stuff. Yeah, yeah. And so he, it says, you know, this is his memento mori. This is his, like, gravestone, which is one thing that's hilarious is that he talks about how, like, because everybody thinks he's crazy and dangerous. Nobody's ever stopped to talk to him before.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
And so it's like I didn't. I thought I'd die before I ever had a chance to explain this.
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Speaker 1
And I'm like, wait, we did we not established the fact that like. And I forget what they even do in the trailer, the fact that, like the rest of the world's perfectly fine.
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Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. In the, in this, and I don't remember 28 weeks later well enough to remember if this is what they did there.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, I try to remember because I mean, like, obviously 28 weeks later, the rest of the world is still kind of dealing with the shit. But right there, I thought, I'm trying to remember.
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Speaker 2
I, I think 28 Weeks Later might have been the point where they decided, like the UK is the quarantine.
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Speaker 1
And.
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Speaker 2
Itself out.
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Speaker 1
Ireland still in there too. So like yeah.
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Speaker 2
So but yeah, Great Britain is entirely cut off from the rest of the world. In fact, some of the characters that come into this movie are a group of French Navy.
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Speaker 1
Like one guy was Swedish or.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, Swedish, but they're they're naval enforcers like EU enforcers, I guess that that ride around in a boat for Brexit. Yeah. But and so like, they have people whose whole job it is, is to make sure that nobody's trying to escape. Yeah. The UK and carry the zombie to the rest of the world. So we do. We have this weird thing where like, the UK is like without electricity, without anything, and, the rest of the world is apparently fine.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Like the the the soldier. Yeah. Soldiers there or whatever. Military guy, is, like, is talking has a cell phone, basically. They're like where we are now, which I guess it would be kind of where.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Because I, I think mathematically based on what they, what the numbers on the screen were. Yeah, I think that they're treating it like the first movie was in 2002, which makes it 2030. In the movie. Yeah. But
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Speaker 1
So yeah. So we, we, we, we got sidetracked. Unrefined. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. But he so he's basically he was a doctor. Now he lives alone. He collects every dead body he encounters. He burns, he burns the flesh off of them and uses the bones to build gigantic monuments, which I'm just laughing at the fact that had he not run into this 12 year old. Yeah, like what? What what would like scientists think in 100 years?
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Speaker 2
Or when they find that a fucking gigantic like sculpture of skulls?
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Speaker 1
I mean, like crazy motherfucking Brits? Yeah. What the fuck? First you build Stonehenge and that you built. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
It's would have been like the opposite of when the Brits went to, Australia. And we're just like, everybody was a fucking cannibal.
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Speaker 1
It was the by like. Oh, I think though, is that like first, the first off you like is looks like he's covered himself in iodine. And. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
So he's like brownish orange.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like obvious I think he's like very modern. It's like gone native, like. Yeah. Kind of a whole thing.
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Speaker 2
He explains that that iodine kills the, the rage virus. So like, if he's going to be out there handling the bodies, it makes sense because it's like, well, this means that he's not less likely.
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Speaker 1
To use those. It's like because he's not in a town, he's just in this like forest of bodies. And it's so it's is this one of those like because I mean, this is like kind of the first, but they have only wide shots of them in towns. I think that like, yeah, both of them like obviously a lot of like villages and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1
This one is completely like the little island and then forest basically in a couple like random churches or whatever, they hide out. And then one.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, they have some shots of towns and stuff, but they're all and like, what's interesting, of course, is that they, they establish that like towns are more dangerous because there's more people, which means there's more dead. But then they also talk about how there's crazy people roaming around. And, we do at the very end of the movie, meet some of said crazy people.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. In what is it's a pretty flagrant sequel.
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Speaker 1
So you still. I do still want to talk about the, like, the most crazy, the.
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Speaker 2
Crazy pants ending of the movie.
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Speaker 1
No, not even the crazy pants ending in the moment, which is like, okay, like, I don't know what. Like, I feel like it's I feel like there's some, you know, not Shakespeare, maybe something or whatever. There's something that I'm like, not, you know, that I'm missing that. Like, yeah, Danny Boyle's like, no, no, everyone to understand that this is like, oh, this is Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, right.
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Speaker 1
Whatever. Or something. No, but I mean, the what? The sequence where, that like, I think really blew me away was the trank darting of the boy. Yeah. Well, while he's holding on to a baby, like a newborn baby, and then him immediately after finding out his mother has cancer. Yeah. Is going to die of that cancer.
00:21:42:10 - 00:21:58:08
Speaker 1
And then Rafi wins, walks her off into the bone forest and shoots her with a, I guess, a really high end tranq dart, and then a moment, like, literally a cut later. Yeah. In the movie, obviously, time has passed. Yeah. Comes back with his. His mother's skull.
00:21:58:14 - 00:21:59:00
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:21:59:02 - 00:22:00:04
Speaker 1
For his hand on top.
00:22:00:04 - 00:22:00:19
Speaker 2
Of Christmas tree.
00:22:00:22 - 00:22:09:02
Speaker 1
And he's, like, cool. And just, like, hands the baby over and then climbs up to the top. Yeah. And puts his. Yeah. It's like.
00:22:09:04 - 00:22:26:08
Speaker 2
I'll be honest, man, I, I had my reservations. Like, throughout the whole movie, I was like, I don't know if I like this movie or not. Like it's it's. I was in and out. Yeah, there were definitely some cool bits, but there was also a lot of like the pacing was very bad. The like the kid was great.
00:22:26:10 - 00:22:27:22
Speaker 2
I thought he was actually a really good actor.
00:22:27:22 - 00:22:28:17
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, for most of.
00:22:28:17 - 00:22:47:15
Speaker 2
Yeah, a little whatever he is. But that sequence is really when it lost me. Yeah. Because like this movie, more than any other zombie movie you've seen in a really long time, is is like a character study. Yeah. Like it's these two people stuck in the middle of nowhere against the world, and it's like he's bringing her to a doctor.
00:22:47:15 - 00:23:02:19
Speaker 2
And like, if you are utilizing your common sense, then you know the doctor is a fool's errand. Because this is not like this. This is not a world where she's going to get better if she has a brain tumor. Yeah. Even if it wasn't like cancer throughout her whole body, which is kind of how the doctor puts it.
00:23:02:19 - 00:23:03:14
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:23:03:15 - 00:23:25:14
Speaker 1
It's it's it's also one of those like it. I, I just want, a sequence of time to happen and where he becomes he also, you know, goes native with, with the doctor and like that would actually be really. Yeah. For the rest of the film, it actually would allow everything to make a lot more sense.
00:23:25:14 - 00:23:26:02
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.
00:23:26:02 - 00:23:43:03
Speaker 1
If he was like, okay, we see the baby, like get a little bit older. So we imply time. If you could literally do like that fast cut. Unlike and having this is part of his grieving process and then you know and then he kind of like he also is orange or something, you know. Not that I'm fucking directing Danny boy, you know.
00:23:43:03 - 00:24:03:18
Speaker 1
Right. But it's just but it is like, that's what I was just like, okay, that's you know, I have that. But like, there's no fucking way a 12 year old who just had spent his entire life on an island, that it was basically it's this pristine British island with border collies, and it's like the it's like the it's obviously this is that's France, but it's like it's like the town from beauty of the beast.
00:24:03:18 - 00:24:06:11
Speaker 1
Like, like people are heading, you know, whatever. The other thing.
00:24:06:12 - 00:24:15:18
Speaker 2
Too is like that. He lost his mind. Yeah. Understand? When he found out that there was no cure for his mom, like, yeah, he'd gone all this way.
00:24:15:18 - 00:24:27:01
Speaker 1
He's just a 12 year old freak. Yeah, but it's not like he went mentally like crazy, right? It was just a 12 year old freaking out. And it's just like. And then immediately he gets started. Well, and I.
00:24:27:03 - 00:24:46:16
Speaker 2
See that was that was kind of the point for me where I was like, okay, now this is this is a bridge too far. Because like, even when they shot him with the tranq dart. Yeah. I thought like maybe it was a low dose and it's just to calm him down, let him sleep, and in the morning he'll have started to come to terms with things and like, he'll be able to say goodbye to his mom.
00:24:46:19 - 00:25:05:23
Speaker 2
Yeah, but instead he, like, while he's drugged up this dude who he just met, gives him these platitudes about, like, it's it's best to go in love and you guys love each other, right? Yeah. You guys love each other. That's awesome. That's so, so good now.
00:25:06:03 - 00:25:24:02
Speaker 1
And I'm like, well, also, his mom goes along. It's his mom. He like. So he will set the scene for anyone who is there. They're sitting in the middle of the boneyard, which is the zone surreal thing at like dusk with like fire going on with like, the zombies. They've never implied that. Like, they're safe from zombies, that like, yeah.
00:25:24:02 - 00:25:31:01
Speaker 1
Oh, the zombies stay away from the infected. Stay away from this. Which one line that would be like then they're like, kind of safe there.
00:25:31:03 - 00:25:32:10
Speaker 2
I'm glad we invented the thing.
00:25:32:10 - 00:26:01:15
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, and so literally, he's they're hugging each other. Mom and son are hugging each other, and Ray finds, like, goes off into the darkness, into the boneyard. A little, just a little bit. Starts to load his dart gun, gets a head nod from the mom and yeah, the kid goes down basically. And then basically they're like kind of holding each other and then like, not even like it's implied.
00:26:01:18 - 00:26:06:03
Speaker 1
Like to me it was like maybe 20 minutes, like sequence time.
00:26:06:04 - 00:26:13:12
Speaker 2
I mean, because it really is just like they they drug him. They don't drug him enough to be unconscious because he, he would drop the baby. Yeah, yeah.
00:26:13:14 - 00:26:27:13
Speaker 1
We just also we also we don't this is also I mean, I hate to say it's like I know he's a medical doctor and everything like that, but it's like we don't see him being like, oh, okay. He's about, what, 45? But he's about 65 pounds. Oh shit. Is he a redhead? Oh, that like, oh God, we gotta use more, you know.
00:26:27:13 - 00:26:34:22
Speaker 1
Whatever. Anyway, it's also it's a he's shooting him with a morphine like something. So it's like it's not, it's not like, you know.
00:26:34:22 - 00:26:36:07
Speaker 2
Yeah. But yeah.
00:26:36:09 - 00:26:37:02
Speaker 1
That.
00:26:37:04 - 00:26:58:13
Speaker 2
That sequence to me, it it ruined the character study because, like, nothing else up to that point had indicated that the mother would have been okay allowing that, like, her son was despondent and rather than trying to help him for whatever amount of time she had left. Yeah, she's like, oh, no, turn me in the bones right now.
00:26:58:13 - 00:27:09:16
Speaker 2
Yeah. Right this minute while he can't stop you. Yeah. And it's just it it completely like it ruined the kind of a lot of what they'd built up between the mom and the son for me.
00:27:09:16 - 00:27:38:14
Speaker 1
And like, if you're, you know, like, if you gotta extend the film for another ten minutes and, like, let that develop, let that like kind of sink. Sink into everybody and like Ray finds character would be a great person to kind of he's philosophizing. He's referencing you know literature you know everything. And so that he would be a great person to kind of like okay we're going to like I don't know, you know like find out things and like learn things.
00:27:38:16 - 00:27:45:07
Speaker 1
You know, we'd have to go on an adventure. We can just kind of stay there and, but we don't do that. It's like a scene. And then. And then.
00:27:45:07 - 00:28:02:04
Speaker 2
Yeah. Just that was for me that like, they that that was so mishandled that it really it killed whatever enthusiasm I still had going for the movie. I really felt like none of that felt a way that a human behaves. Yeah.
00:28:02:06 - 00:28:21:12
Speaker 1
Like I kept, like, looking at you here. Like you were just like. Like I don't like what what what? Because, I mean, I also I'm like, okay, you know what? If we're going to go a little. The funny thing is I just watch this horrible, like, the level movie, like kind of the stuff we often very, watch.
00:28:21:14 - 00:28:43:02
Speaker 1
I wish I could remember it's on Hulu. Definitely direct to video kind of thing. It's a zombie film. He main character. There's a bunch of guys really like, I recognize that guy, kind of like, you know, the the third actor on five different shows. Yeah. And, it's it's that it's this guy thinks he's being bit by zombies or like, it's, you know, kind of a rage thing.
00:28:43:02 - 00:29:01:10
Speaker 1
Yeah. And you go through this whole, whole film where he's, like, trying to save his wife. He's killing zombies left and right, you know, shooting that, you know, killing him different ways. And kind of just, like, struggling. His wife gets, you know, it gets infected, and he's like, we're going to save you. We're going to go to the hospital.
00:29:01:12 - 00:29:21:07
Speaker 1
And then, like, there's a cut in the film and you realize he's had a mental break and he's just been murdering people. No one has. Zombie. His wife is pleading with him, and then he gets shot by cops. And that's the end of the film. And it was one of those, like, fuck. I mean, if it was done well in the zombies, right?
00:29:21:12 - 00:29:35:05
Speaker 1
What, like look like they were out of, like, you know, like something, you know, a 15 year old did with, like, makeup or something, but, like, I'd be like, okay, we're like, we're going weird and we're going whatever, like, whatever this, like, either didn't go far enough or didn't go.
00:29:35:07 - 00:30:04:03
Speaker 2
Yeah, well and also it didn't it didn't seem like the movie quite knew what it wanted to be. Yeah. Because again, there was a lot of it that was like a character study and it felt more like a Danny Boyle movie. It was like smarter than the average zombie movie, but like, it didn't quite hit those notes like the, you know, early on, there's a thing where, you like his dad, like Aaron Taylor-Johnson, his character's an asshole, and it develops throughout the course of the movie.
00:30:04:03 - 00:30:13:07
Speaker 2
Like why? You're supposed to think he's an asshole. Like, at first, it's just because he's like. It's like a very, like, regressive, toxic masculine. Kind of like. Yeah.
00:30:13:09 - 00:30:16:16
Speaker 1
It's like the the problem is he's fantastic with his kid.
00:30:16:18 - 00:30:18:04
Speaker 2
Except, I mean, the like out.
00:30:18:04 - 00:30:41:08
Speaker 1
In the out in the thing. I mean obviously like he forced his kid got like two years early. They usually bring him out of 14. But like the kid misses the kid like fails at, like doing the kind of like thing. And then he stops him. And there's this great scene in the, in the attic. Right. And, where he's just like, no, you did fine, you know, because there is a, you know, there's like a different version, like you don't established his dad is like, okay, this dad's an asshole.
00:30:41:08 - 00:31:03:08
Speaker 1
This whatever. He is a guy in the middle of a, zombie apocalypse. Who? I'm not justifying. Not cheating, you know, but, like, he goes and cheats out of, like, his his wife, who is literally dying and completely gone mentally and is basically dead, is basically just bedridden. And he cheats on his, like, as far as we do literally once.
00:31:03:10 - 00:31:21:11
Speaker 1
Yeah. And in the like during this party sequence and everything like that. But it's, it's just like and then like he has a moment where he, like, basically backhands the kid. I'm not justifying either of these things. Right. But like, we're not establishing that like, he's a, a vile piece of shit, which honestly would would be almost better in some ways.
00:31:21:11 - 00:31:21:16
Speaker 1
I think.
00:31:21:17 - 00:31:40:16
Speaker 2
That's that. Well, that's what I was kind of getting to. Okay. Is that like there's this evolution throughout where it's like he there's and what you said is true because like, there's always a weird counterweight to it that makes it not quite land because it's like, well, he's got this toxic masculinity thing, but also it's the zombie apocalypse.
00:31:40:16 - 00:31:55:12
Speaker 2
And this kid needs to, like, learn how to kill a zombie and how to, like, survive out. Yeah. And then, like, he's cheating on his wife, but also, like, she doesn't know he's there. Yeah, like her brain so far gone, you know.
00:31:55:14 - 00:32:14:01
Speaker 1
And and she has no idea. Like and and and it's and it's not giving and they have no way of fixing it. Right. And like and so like this is obviously why the kid is like desperate to find a doctor or whatever. But I mean, like even in this scenario where she's, I don't want to say just but like just mentally ill, they don't have anything.
00:32:14:01 - 00:32:30:01
Speaker 1
Right? They don't have they can't get lithium, they can't get Prozac, they can't get, you know, whatever they whatever they might need that she would, you know, would solve it. So she's just going to be like this. Yeah. And so it's this problem because I mean, obviously I think we very quickly imply she's not even really eating and things like that.
00:32:30:01 - 00:32:42:19
Speaker 1
So very quickly implies that she has something more. Yeah. Know more serious than whatever. Yes. Brain cancer is more serious than being bipolar. But but, it's it's,
00:32:42:21 - 00:33:04:13
Speaker 2
Well, it's yeah, in the scheme of things, I think that like, you have the moment where he hits the kid and to me, like, that's the least excusable thing. Yeah. Because he's basically just been confronted about his cheating and backhand him. Yeah. And that's like the catalyst for the kid to run off and try to save his mom because he's like, I don't want this fucking guy to be my dad anymore.
00:33:04:13 - 00:33:14:03
Speaker 2
Basically. And then even after the movie's over and his mom is dead and whatever he decides to stay, like, out in the mainland.
00:33:14:03 - 00:33:14:22
Speaker 1
The the the.
00:33:15:04 - 00:33:15:11
Speaker 2
The kid.
00:33:15:11 - 00:33:15:22
Speaker 1
Boy does.
00:33:15:22 - 00:33:29:09
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. Rather than going back to his dad because he's like, well, fuck that guy. Yeah. Which I think is mostly just set up again, it doesn't really track with the kid's personality for most of the movie, but I, I get it again that.
00:33:29:11 - 00:33:35:01
Speaker 1
That ten minutes of when his mother dying wish would solve that I want I not I.
00:33:35:06 - 00:33:35:14
Speaker 2
Know for.
00:33:35:14 - 00:33:49:15
Speaker 1
Sure I always feel like there's a director's cut that I'm like so, but like, there's so many like, wide shots. I mean, like, this is one of my problems with this film is shot really beautifully, except it's shot on an iPhone and it looks like shit, which like, I don't know, for me it does. No, no, for sure.
00:33:49:20 - 00:34:09:07
Speaker 2
A lot of there's a lot of, there's a lot of beats where like, yeah, there's like they have a shot of like this, like English coastal village. And of course we don't go into the village at all because again, the characters have been trained not to, but like, there's an establishing shot of this English coastal village and it's incredibly flat.
00:34:09:07 - 00:34:16:18
Speaker 2
There's just no depth of field whatsoever because it was shot using an iPhone and a really expensive, like, zoom lens. Yeah, yeah.
00:34:16:19 - 00:34:37:14
Speaker 1
And I mean, like, the forest scenes are beautiful, but again, the colors are, are wonky and not in a like and there's grain and there's, you know, I mean, which again is that it's like, but it's just like, but if you're spending all this time with this like kind of beauty of the countryside and like, you know, I don't know, shooting it on, you know, whatever, you know, kind of shitty, basically shitty film stock.
00:34:37:14 - 00:34:57:17
Speaker 1
Yeah. With a tiny little fucking sensor and everything like that. And I get why he does it. I get why it does, for sure. But it's like. But then why are we spending like, as much time on it when we could have. And Boyle and Alex Garland are great directors and writers. Yeah. And it's just so it's like we it's not like we don't have the capabilities and we're kind of like leaning more on and cinematographer.
00:34:57:18 - 00:35:05:11
Speaker 1
Yeah. And so it's just it's such that like sequence there of the literally his mom all the, his mom like yeah.
00:35:05:11 - 00:35:23:00
Speaker 2
But that and you're exactly right. Like had they done anything with it to be like okay, well here's a little bit of time passing. The mom's getting sicker. Like again, the abruptness of like, we're going to drug you and then steal your mom and murder her and present you with her skull. Yes.
00:35:23:02 - 00:35:24:12
Speaker 1
And and you're going to be, like, cool.
00:35:24:12 - 00:35:34:01
Speaker 2
You're going to be fine. 20 minutes ago, you were freaking out at the idea of losing her. Eventually. Yeah, but once we murder her and hand you her skull, you're fine.
00:35:34:01 - 00:35:54:20
Speaker 1
And and like, he does do this with one. He does do this like he does the sequel. There's, like a sequence where burns the burns the skull. So, like, you know, burns off the thing and then washes it. And the boy does help. The doctor help refines character, the doctor to do this. And then, like, immediately we're on to the.
00:35:54:20 - 00:36:09:08
Speaker 1
Yeah, the the moms, you know, kill the mom scene basically at night. Yeah. And so it's just this, like, weird fuck. Anyway, we could talk about this more, we're, we're doing this short, but, like, let's not let's not forget the the. So the final scene, the biggest spoilers.
00:36:09:08 - 00:36:31:10
Speaker 2
Which again and this, this is just the final scene was just kind of bug fucked nuts, but also like, very obviously like it it doesn't belong in this movie, except that it's setting up the fact that we're making a trilogy here. And again, like, I understand that and I don't necessarily 100% begrudge it because like, obviously you want to set up the premise for your.
00:36:31:11 - 00:36:34:13
Speaker 1
Feels like a you know what it is. It feels like it needs to be a post-credits scene.
00:36:34:13 - 00:36:35:01
Speaker 2
It does.
00:36:35:01 - 00:36:37:23
Speaker 1
It needs to be a scene that we didn't see. But yes, describe the scene.
00:36:38:01 - 00:36:43:22
Speaker 2
So the kid is, cooking fish on the beach of the mainland because once again, you.
00:36:43:22 - 00:36:46:01
Speaker 1
Know, he's on the side of the road.
00:36:46:03 - 00:37:07:10
Speaker 2
Yeah. That's right. He's on the side of the road. Because once again, he refuses to go back home. He's abandoned the half human, half zombie baby, at the at his old village so they can take care of the baby. And he's, like, cooking up a fish that he caught, and he starts getting attacked by zombies.
00:37:07:10 - 00:37:27:05
Speaker 2
And it's just standard, like boilerplate. 28 days later, fast zombies. Yeah. And so he kills a couple of them and runs, and then he gets like, he runs up against this, like, rock wall. Yeah. And a weird dude with an upside down cross and a whole bunch of gold. Yeah. Comes.
00:37:27:05 - 00:37:29:08
Speaker 1
With a crown. He's wearing a princess crown, too.
00:37:29:08 - 00:37:48:17
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. And his name is Jimmy. Jimmy, we've seen his name a couple of times throughout the movie. It was carved into a zombie that had been hung upside down in a building. And then also there was, like, some graffiti that was like talking about Jimmy and death, and I can't remember what it was.
00:37:48:17 - 00:38:02:02
Speaker 2
Yeah. It bothers me that he's Jimmy since the original main character of 28 Days Later who was supposed to be in this movie until he wasn't, was Jim. Yeah. Maybe it's kid who knows, but in any event, like.
00:38:02:07 - 00:38:21:03
Speaker 1
But he's like, yeah, he's still British. No, no, no, I know, but I mean, well, I mean, it didn't say that he's I'm trying to think of like what? He's a character that seems like he should be in. He could have been in, Shaun of the dead. Yeah. Yeah. Like. Oh, they're wearing tracksuits.
00:38:21:03 - 00:38:25:05
Speaker 2
It's his. He and his boys come out and they kill a bunch of velvet tracksuits.
00:38:25:05 - 00:38:27:21
Speaker 1
I'm sorry. Velvet? Yeah. Very clean velvet. Yeah.
00:38:28:02 - 00:38:32:10
Speaker 2
They look like, They look like the Tracksuit Mafia from Hawkeye. There you go.
00:38:32:12 - 00:38:33:07
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00:38:33:09 - 00:39:05:12
Speaker 2
Except with bleached hair and a little bit more gold. Yeah. But but. Yeah, like. And the movie starts with the sequence you've seen in the trailer where there's, like, a priest in an old church who welcomes the coming of the zombies because he thinks that they're, like divine intervention. Yeah. And I think the implication is that the kid is the kid who, like the priest's kid who is given he's given a cross in that sequence, and he's the only one who escapes.
00:39:05:16 - 00:39:07:15
Speaker 1
Well, that's how it gets like that's that. Yeah.
00:39:07:15 - 00:39:27:16
Speaker 2
Well played. Like the whole town gets wiped out by zombies. This one kid is the only one who escapes. I have a I assume that the implication is he's Jimmy. Yeah, because Jimmy has an upside down cross, which makes sense with the iconography of the upside down zombie, but also like, it's a regular cross that's been customized. There's a loop on the top or bottom, but you know what I mean.
00:39:27:17 - 00:39:49:04
Speaker 2
Yeah, there's a loop above Jesus's head on the cross. So like this is obviously a regular crucifix that has been customized to be his upside down cross. And so I'm assuming that that kid from the beginning of the movie is Jimmy. Yeah. And that he'll like his story and how he got to be who he is and how he set up his weird cult and his tracksuit Mafia.
00:39:49:06 - 00:39:49:15
Speaker 2
Who.
00:39:49:17 - 00:40:02:18
Speaker 1
Who, let's, you know, who fight in a parkour style. Yes. That's right, that's right. Which is really kind of the most important thing. They don't just like, oh, they have guns or they have like, you know. No, they have like Rose or whatever they have like.
00:40:02:20 - 00:40:08:11
Speaker 2
God, what what do you call the the spear that like a high jumper uses. Yeah. To, to.
00:40:08:12 - 00:40:11:03
Speaker 1
Get over the bar, the javelin, the javelin, things like that. Yeah.
00:40:11:06 - 00:40:20:22
Speaker 2
They have javelins and they're like holding a zombie at the end of a javelin and then parkouring off of something and throwing the zombie in the air. Yeah, it's very silly. It's very goofy.
00:40:20:22 - 00:40:26:05
Speaker 1
It's so on. And then you just have these shots of like the kid, like going, what the fuck is going on?
00:40:26:05 - 00:40:31:17
Speaker 2
And it's the kind of thing that I think, like, first of all, I think they thought it was Rule of Cool. I thought they thought it would just be so awesome.
00:40:31:20 - 00:40:55:11
Speaker 1
But it's like it's like so they have like, I mean, I pretty sure like it's been a long time since I, I didn't refresh myself with the 28 year, yeah. The 28, cinematic universe. You know, not even the Sandra Bullock one. And I, sorry. I'm disappointed in myself, for that.
00:40:55:13 - 00:41:09:00
Speaker 1
And, but, I, you know, there are those surreal moments. There's the, you know, the famous supermarket scene where they're running around. Yeah. I mean, like, there's surreal, like dark, surreal. This is just like, again, like, again, like there's.
00:41:09:00 - 00:41:24:12
Speaker 2
I feel like part of it is there was humor in those movies. And again, I don't remember 20 weeks at all. I watched it once. I didn't like it. And at the time, it seemed like it was such a franchise killer that I didn't feel obliged to study up. But like 28 Days Later, I've watched a lot of times in my life I thought, it's a great movie.
00:41:24:12 - 00:41:38:10
Speaker 2
Yeah, and there's definitely humor in there, but it's a little bit more gallows humor. Yeah, yeah. Like the the one really funny line that everybody remembers from that movie is where he's like, do you know why this is a bad idea? Because it's so fucking obviously a bad idea.
00:41:38:11 - 00:41:45:04
Speaker 1
And that's where I get that. That's where we got that from. Yeah. Yeah. And it's. Yeah, it's just weird. It's just so fucking it.
00:41:45:07 - 00:42:02:20
Speaker 2
It is, it's. And the whole movie is a little bit weird. Again, there's these sequences where Boyle is very like he's playing with the camera a little bit, like there's a lot of stuff using fire and the sparks from the fire.
00:42:02:20 - 00:42:03:09
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00:42:03:11 - 00:42:11:12
Speaker 2
And like some really saturated colors for like short periods of time and like, there's a lot of kind of weird psychedelic effects that he plays very.
00:42:11:12 - 00:42:42:12
Speaker 1
Really at it. Very weird at. It's like, yeah, there's like, you know, basically like super wide shot and then like a hard cut in reverse. So it looks like the camera just like swung around really quickly. That like is is really jarring, but not and this is it. I mean, it's it's interesting. I mean, like I think that like if you view like cinematic like cinematographic wise, not story plotline wise and editing even editing wise, if you view the film as kind of, you know, like 28 Days Later was very experimental in a thousand different ways.
00:42:42:14 - 00:43:01:03
Speaker 1
Then, okay, this is like, I get what they're doing. Some things fail, some things don't, you know, especially now that I mean, this, I, this, I wonder is how much the problem was, is that like, okay, was was it like a little. I actually don't know if it would be like a lot cheaper, like cameras are expensive, but they're not that expensive.
00:43:01:06 - 00:43:21:22
Speaker 1
I mean, what was the, trying remember with that big sci fi film was shot on the FX three? I don't remember. It's a it's a great film, but it didn't do well. It was about androids and, Yeah. Anyway, but it's it's like a lot of directors in a lot of sci fi directors have been using, like, the cheaper cameras to kind of like, I guess probably like for a little bit more money somewhere else maybe, I don't know.
00:43:21:22 - 00:43:28:13
Speaker 1
Yeah. But, like, it wouldn't be like the difference between, you know, okay, we can now we can afford effects.
00:43:28:15 - 00:43:29:19
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, I, I honestly.
00:43:30:00 - 00:43:31:06
Speaker 1
Think we're shooting more.
00:43:31:08 - 00:43:43:14
Speaker 2
I think the camera thing was just it was performative. Yeah. It was because they, like so much of the legacy of 28 Days Later is tied up in this notion of like, yeah, they shot on prosumer camera.
00:43:43:14 - 00:43:54:17
Speaker 1
I do enjoy, by the way, like the third that they're trying to hawk this 4K disc of 28 Days Later and ever even the four even the like the forums for like yeah the 4K forums are like.
00:43:54:19 - 00:43:56:17
Speaker 2
Why yeah like.
00:43:56:19 - 00:44:01:00
Speaker 1
Get the I guess get the Blu ray like or get the like but like and I wrote.
00:44:01:00 - 00:44:19:08
Speaker 2
A, I wrote a whole blog. I first of all I wrote an article about this, a comic book, but then I wrote about it again on my blog. But let's like very briefly, yeah. You understand cameras much better than I do. Yeah. Why is it that you can upscale a physical film and you cannot upscale digital photography?
00:44:19:10 - 00:44:48:13
Speaker 1
You can upscale to even I even anything like once we've had 4K. To me, like, maybe like people even know more like 35 millimeter is basically 4K. You get, you know, ten, you know, is basically like, that's to me, the max. Like, if we're going to any of this like bullshit about going higher than that is just like, it's stupid as long as, I mean, unless it's like Nolan's films where they're shooting on, you know, Imax like that or whatever, it's like, okay, I guess we're going to do that, but then, okay, it's why I just buy a theater that I don't know.
00:44:48:15 - 00:45:09:01
Speaker 1
But, but basically for ADP is like, you're thinking about like 16 millimeter film, like tiny, like it's a tiny sensor. It has this capable, you know, certain levels, capabilities, if you remember, if you're old enough to remember, like olden days, YouTube, like think about like, the best version of the thing that you saw on YouTube. Go back and go back and watch the first YouTube video ever uploaded.
00:45:09:05 - 00:45:28:06
Speaker 1
And I pretty sure that was like for ADP or maybe for 40 I, which is the worst. It's a, I won't get into progressive and interlaced, but and and so it's just like these old mini TV cameras that like, basically like the home videos of our generation, I guess, I don't know, maybe not even that. We were we were still VHS.
00:45:28:06 - 00:45:47:20
Speaker 1
Were that old? V or beta even more. I know my dad had a Betamax Betamax player, but it's it's, basically super low quality. And when you're working from digital, you can't unless you're going to use some terrible, like, AI or, like, basically make it up, Photoshop it like to use a wrong term, but it might understand something.
00:45:47:20 - 00:45:59:16
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. Basically like make it like if you've seen some of the like horrible AI was was not it wasn't it was a Terminator or which one had a horrible AI. Restoration in quotes.
00:45:59:17 - 00:46:00:08
Speaker 2
Well.
00:46:00:08 - 00:46:03:14
Speaker 1
Aliens was quite good. I'm trying to remember there was another one, but the.
00:46:03:19 - 00:46:10:17
Speaker 2
The ones that came out all at the same time with Titanic, everything except for Titanic. People hated. Yeah. So true lies, people.
00:46:10:17 - 00:46:36:06
Speaker 1
True Lies was the really bad one. And it was pointless because honestly, the Blu ray anyway. But yeah, it's, it's basically you're going to have to like, I don't even know how they're doing it. Like, if it's if there's a point other than just labeling it as 4K and upping the res, you know, fake way. And then it's like basically making a bigger file, like I used to do that all the time at work when it was just like my boss was just like, this needs to be.
00:46:36:06 - 00:46:52:19
Speaker 1
At least they're telling me this needs to be at least three bags. And I'm like, it's an 80 k fucking file. Yeah, unless you want to be basically posterize it. I really can't do anything else with this giving you the original. Like, this is all we have. Just make it make it three mag. So it's like, okay, larger file basically.
00:46:52:21 - 00:47:14:13
Speaker 1
And that's basically it. So it's like basically buy the Blu ray if it has extra. I mean I guess like the if it has like a bunch of refills for time. Yeah, I do worry though that like they're gonna that they might I don't think I would think it would be beyond stupid to add an AI to like a 4K like a for for for a famously.
00:47:14:13 - 00:47:26:20
Speaker 1
Yeah like low shot. It's like, you know, basically like, oh, we're going to do the arcade version of of, Blair Witch Project or something like that. That was also famously shot on whatever. But, but anyway. But yeah, so total.
00:47:26:23 - 00:47:33:08
Speaker 2
Which was mostly shot on 35 and the only bits of it were shot on home video, but they tried to make it look so it.
00:47:33:08 - 00:47:34:21
Speaker 1
Wasn't shot there. Shot in 618.
00:47:35:01 - 00:48:02:21
Speaker 2
Oh maybe 16. Yeah. In any event, they actually did have a 4K remaster fairly recently. That apparently was pretty good. But again, it's film. Yeah. And like very dumb. Like a very dumb way that I've always been able to explain it to people. Is that like with film there's a physical artifact there, there's a thing there. And if you get a better camera, you can shoot the film with that better camera and it.
00:48:02:21 - 00:48:26:16
Speaker 1
Yeah, I think one of the other things is like, think about it this way. This is like the difference between like film is like a raw file. Like if you're shooting with like a dSLR or a real camera or even on your iPhone, they have raw files, right? You can edit it more, there's more manipulate, there's more room to move when you're shooting, especially for ATP, it is a Jpeg that you shot on, like, a ten year old iPhone or something like that.
00:48:26:16 - 00:48:34:21
Speaker 1
And like that. That's all you can really do with it. And so the way it was shot originally, the file that they have on a hard drive somewhere is that's.
00:48:35:01 - 00:48:41:18
Speaker 2
That's the master version. Yeah. That's that's really what I'm trying to get. Yeah. Is that like with film because it's a physical thing. There's a lot of things you can do with it.
00:48:41:20 - 00:48:58:01
Speaker 1
And as technology moves forward, I've scanned in some stuff from ages ago, or even I've taken even raw digital files that are raw, like kind of like again, like how, you know, 4K is on your iPhone. It has a little bit more even the video has a little bit more give when you're trying to brighten it up or something like that.
00:48:58:03 - 00:49:16:09
Speaker 1
And the new version of Lightroom, it's like, wow, this works so much better. The JPEGs still, still shit. Like they're still that's all you got. That's all the the information is just not there, right. Change it. But but again. But on like 35 millimeter or even 16 millimeter. As long as you have a higher risk scanner you can get.
00:49:16:12 - 00:49:17:18
Speaker 1
But I mean there's obviously.
00:49:17:22 - 00:49:18:20
Speaker 2
Obviously a ceiling, there's the.
00:49:18:20 - 00:49:22:12
Speaker 1
Ceiling. And again, like there's a ceiling to me real like is that.
00:49:22:12 - 00:49:22:21
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:49:22:21 - 00:49:34:20
Speaker 1
Yeah. Because that's vision I mean that's like human vision. There's a reason why dogs like, you know, it's so weird anyway. But like, dogs see, like 4K like look at a TV more often. But yeah, but yeah that's not go down a different rabbit hole.
00:49:34:22 - 00:49:54:07
Speaker 2
But yeah, in any event, man, I wanted to like this more. I Sam, I, I'm curious. I'm gonna have to look into some reactions from other people and see if there's stuff that I missed, see if there's stuff that. But like, my gut feeling was that the whole movie, I was like, half in, half out. I never really bought in.
00:49:54:09 - 00:50:22:02
Speaker 2
And then, like, the thing with the mom really just punched me the other way. I'm like, this went from a three, like three, three and a half star movie to like a two and a half, three. And then the ending was just wacky. Yeah. Like and again, like, I like wacky in a lot of ways, this didn't feel like a movie where that ending was compatible with the rest of the established universe.
00:50:22:03 - 00:50:45:09
Speaker 1
Again, a weird like and even a I would be almost even more accept I was the same with you. The the the the mom's skull, the thing that basically was like, well, this is probably the first and last time I watched this. Yeah, yeah. I, I might buy a box set, you know, but like, because, like, I actually don't, I think I don't have, like a Blu ray version.
00:50:45:09 - 00:50:51:11
Speaker 1
Yeah. I don't have like a good version of it. In fact, mine might be like the original DVD release, if I have it wherever I.
00:50:51:12 - 00:50:57:09
Speaker 2
Think I have, I think I have the original blockbuster DVD, which is probably full screen.
00:50:57:09 - 00:51:03:00
Speaker 1
Yeah. It's like, of course, well, it would I mean, it would be, but, I forget how it was formatted, but it would be. That's true.
00:51:03:02 - 00:51:04:11
Speaker 2
Yeah, it definitely wouldn't be like.
00:51:04:11 - 00:51:21:01
Speaker 1
Yeah, that's also, I mean, we'll get a, can explain formats later. You do? The once in a day used to have to make sure you didn't get full screen versus. Yeah, yeah. Both Russell and I used to have to do this every single day working at blockbuster and working at ECV. Explain to people that.
00:51:21:01 - 00:51:28:00
Speaker 1
No, you were just like, well, I don't like letter box because it cuts off the bottom of the top and you're like, no, that's not how this works.
00:51:28:00 - 00:51:33:14
Speaker 2
The other one cuts off the side. Yeah, this one looks weird, but it's actually that because.
00:51:33:14 - 00:51:58:03
Speaker 1
Yes, I mean, I, we also kids we also who used to have square TVs spaces basically like for lack of thing. Now we have widescreen TVs to fit anyway for the format. But but yeah. No I mean once once it once the mom thing happened there. If the, if the weird Capitol, or whatever the hell is going on, thing, had been like a post-credits scene, which I think it just really needed to be.
00:51:58:03 - 00:52:15:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, you needed that separation of, like, the rest of the film would be like. And if you're going to establish this world and I don't like, I mean, because that would have been like, oh, they're doing the Marvel, you know, whatever. Mind you guys, just post-credits scenes have been happen for ever. Mel. Mel Brooks used to do them all the time, you know?
00:52:15:04 - 00:52:16:03
Speaker 1
I mean, like, also.
00:52:16:07 - 00:52:40:12
Speaker 2
Like, not for nothing, but like, the whole reason behind the the Marvel post-credit sequences is because they have enough confidence that, like, we're definitely going to get another movie. Yeah. And like, that's what's going on here. Like these guys got a deal with Sony where like they're getting to make three movies. And so like I don't know it's again like it'll be real interesting.
00:52:40:12 - 00:52:44:20
Speaker 2
I'm sure I'll see the next one, if only because it's like I want to see if they.
00:52:44:22 - 00:52:54:10
Speaker 1
I can see. I mean I will say I if that ends scene hadn't happened, I would have no interest in that. I wouldn't really have any interest in the next one. I mean.
00:52:54:11 - 00:53:14:21
Speaker 2
Right, guys? Well, because if not for that last scene. No, I'm like it was like closure. I mean, it wasn't great closure, but like, the story was done. Yeah. Now it's like that. And I tell you what, that last scene and we won't get down this rabbit hole because I was telling you before, I have an essay that I'm in the middle of writing for my Substack.
00:53:14:23 - 00:53:19:14
Speaker 2
That last scene felt like some season seven of The Walking Dead. Shit.
00:53:19:14 - 00:53:20:05
Speaker 1
That.
00:53:20:07 - 00:53:45:16
Speaker 2
And, and I actually, one of the things that I've been thinking about since I saw the trailer for this, was that the the high concept of this movie really actually makes me not long for The Walking Dead, but it makes me it gives me warm feelings about the walking because like The Walking Dead at the end of the day was a story of hope and rebuilding.
00:53:45:18 - 00:53:56:12
Speaker 2
And like the tagline for the second trailer for this movie was time didn't heal anything. And I was just like, man, what a fucking downer.
00:53:56:14 - 00:54:20:16
Speaker 1
Like and like the problem is, is that like if if you have, then build that fucking world. I'm fine. I'm good. I'm all good about, like watching a depressing zombie film, especially in the year 2025. Like, I kind of need some, you know, I need the ending of the thing where it's just like, everyone fucking die. But I mean, like, I mean, I guess they like they died to save the race, to save the world, to stop it from spreading.
00:54:20:18 - 00:54:37:16
Speaker 1
But it's just like, I mean, I don't know, it's just seems weird. Like, I would love of the not to go back into everything again, but it's just like, I would love to have them, to have them spend a little bit more time on that island and like, kind of develop out like the world there. I mean, they did like a little tiny bit.
00:54:37:16 - 00:54:51:18
Speaker 2
Yeah. I really like the bits that we saw on the island, but for the most part it was like in the mainland, which is basically just like Rambo two. It was like a couple of guys fighting a horde of monsters until.
00:54:51:20 - 00:55:02:14
Speaker 1
It's really done. Also with really, I mean, I'm sorry, but like really impractical weapons, like, yes, arrows are what you have, but like, I'm sure that you can find it, like, a machete.
00:55:02:14 - 00:55:02:23
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:55:02:23 - 00:55:05:03
Speaker 1
And again, like, they don't have one like any way.
00:55:05:04 - 00:55:25:21
Speaker 2
Because. Because you've got to go. We can't get into this. Maybe we'll talk about this again later. Yeah. Because like, one of the things I did I was thinking is like part and parcel of this whole notion that, like, the world just left them to die is like, you don't think there would be, like, some kind of un like, aid to, like, drop something out of a helicopter.
00:55:25:21 - 00:55:30:07
Speaker 2
You don't have to land in the quarantine zone, but like, you can give them food and weapons.
00:55:30:12 - 00:55:48:16
Speaker 1
I feel like that's like a pretty easy, like, title card where it's just like they in lieu of, like, nuking it because, I mean, like, I do kind of feel like I mean, realistically, we probably can't. Oh yeah, for sure. You know, we'd have an escape or we'd have, like, a real, like, escape from, you know, because I mean, like we do.
00:55:48:16 - 00:56:07:14
Speaker 1
I mean, obviously I, I'm always fascinated also like, I would love to have like these side things where it's just like, okay, like I, I this is something I hate about Star Wars, where everything has to be fucking explained. We just get of mystery. But I do kind of want to remember, like, do they have zombies? And, in, in the world of 28 Days Later, like, do they have zombie movies before that?
00:56:07:14 - 00:56:13:02
Speaker 2
I mean, I assume so because the one dude, this the Swedish dude calls them zombies.
00:56:13:04 - 00:56:19:05
Speaker 1
I mean, but like, they, they actually have, I mean, it's interesting because I mean, like, okay, did that term come out of that? But was like.
00:56:19:06 - 00:56:30:20
Speaker 2
Something everybody else, everybody else in all the movies, as far as I can remember, call them the infected. Yeah. And so to me, the fact that the word zombie came out of his mouth suggests the existence of zombie. But yeah, I mean, again, I could read.
00:56:30:20 - 00:56:55:11
Speaker 1
You kind of what a companion book of like. Yeah, just explaining like because I mean, like that's one of my favorite things about, Shaun of the dead is about this. Edward. Yeah. And it's just like that. Like that one line because I'm like, oh, so they do have it. Yeah. And like the difference between, having a zombie zombie apocalypse in a world where a, the like, the law doesn't exist versus it when it does.
00:56:55:11 - 00:57:02:23
Speaker 1
Like both of them to me are fascinating. Yeah. And like I hate that. Like they never really other than again Shaun of the dead. They've never really.
00:57:03:01 - 00:57:21:10
Speaker 2
The other way that I feel the other one of my favorites is, is a zombie. Okay. Yeah. Like the pilot of a zombie. She, like, buys a $5, like, public domain copy of, night of the Living Dead at the checkout when she's. And then she sits down to watch it while she's eating. And that's when I'm eating brains.
00:57:21:12 - 00:57:29:09
Speaker 2
And that's when her, like, boss walks in and catches her, and he's like, so the hot sauce thing is that the zombie thing?
00:57:30:17 - 00:57:42:22
Speaker 2
But like, yeah, but yeah, it's it's it's definitely. I would love to know that too. I'm assuming just from the use of the word zombie, that that zombie media exists, but like, that's probably like, you know.
00:57:43:03 - 00:58:00:23
Speaker 1
Just I mean, so it's like, did so the shot of the dead never, never, never happened then like when. Yeah. Kind of, you know, okay. These are the questions why we need to get back on the, series the the interview circuit. Because we're just like, what the fuck, Danny Boyle? Like, oh, my God, the fucking nerds. Yeah, okay.
00:58:01:01 - 00:58:19:09
Speaker 2
But all right. Thanks, everybody for listening because we're going to let that go. Take care of his dog. And, we again, we may have to revisit this. I know we want to talk about the Superman trailer. We might have, like, a a quick hit, like 30 minute something to just supplement this later. But in the meantime, thanks, everybody for listening.
00:58:19:09 - 00:58:33:07
Speaker 2
Be back here by noon on the fifth day for more Emerald City video. And always remember to rewind your cassettes more.
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